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hi this is sean cahill and you're

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listening to that ufo podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast it's a breaking news pod and

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joining me isn't dan as he is busy with

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the phenomenology season finale premiere

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right now very fancy um i have graham

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rendell colleague and friend from uap

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media joining me for this one how are we

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graham hi andy i'm fine how are you

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doing i am good i am just off of an

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interview with john greenwald and at the

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end of this you're going to hear that's

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only going to be 5 10 15 minutes we

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don't know yet we're just going to go

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for it and you'll hear john greenwald's

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thoughts on the calvin photograph which

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has been officially dropped and released

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and today as we discuss this it's the

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12th of august 2022. now calvin graham

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is a topic you know your history and

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this isn't even going back too far for

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what you know but calvin is an incident

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that happened in 1990 i believe

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north west of scotland is that correct

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uh 4th of august 1919 you're more

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looking in the central highlands so it's

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just like north of perth uh by about

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sort of 30 miles uh so it's not quite

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the highlands sorry not quite the

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northwest of scotland it's more that

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it's more just north of the central belt

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kind of area

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so there we go i was i was close i was

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within several hundred miles

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500 miles and 500 more however the event

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itself's been kind of mythical hasn't it

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in terms of one nick pope has made quite

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a career

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discussing this photograph as part of it

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um it's been famed for a long time that

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some gents

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on a walking trip shall we say as there

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are many stories that go uh saw a

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diamond shapecraft took a photo of it it

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was being escorted pursued whatever it

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may have been by

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a fighter jet or a jet of some sort and

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they were just in the right place at the

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right time or the wrong place at the

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right time however you want to see it

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and this photograph has never surfaced

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it's been now 32 years

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and we saw the negatives of it recently

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which showed the kind of shadows and

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outline of what the objects may be um

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but our colleagues at uap media dr david

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clark and vinnie adams of disclosure

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team both of them you've heard on here

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uh along with a few other people have

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managed to get a copy of the actual

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photograph having the graham and

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released that in public yeah that's

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right i mean there were six images taken

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apparently at the time and they were

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they were passed eventually to the

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ministry of defense um who then say they

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sent them back to the the people the

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daily record who they got them from but

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you know they say they never got them

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and they never got them from the mod um

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the there weren't actually it wasn't

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actually a negative that appeared in the

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aod files it was a line drawing which i

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believe was a copy of a line drawn which

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was done for comparison and measurement

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purposes and also um you know the image

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analysis and that was done from a

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negative so that that's where the

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negative comes in but you know those

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apparently had gone missing and for say

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32 years it's been a mystery as to

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whether they still exist and obviously

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now that mystery has been solved one of

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the images was uh kept by um the press

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officer who was a liaison between um you

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and so the daily record and the mod and

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he somehow retained one of these six

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images at least and that's the one that

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so graham described for is what we're

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seeing in the image and if you've seen

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the cgi recreation that is often shared

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by nick pope of the the photograph it's

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pretty close isn't it as to what people

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have seen it's pretty close apart from

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the hills in the background because you

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don't see those on the image so in some

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ways unless of course it's a really bad

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day and we're just looking at a very

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uniform gray sky in the actual image

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itself when you see it you'll see a line

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of fence posts along the bottom and then

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on the top you'll see um some foliage so

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it's clearly been taken from just in the

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vicinity of some trees and i believe the

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story is that the witnesses actually hid

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in the trees to start with and then sort

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of popped out to take the pictures um so

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that that explains that and then you've

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got this diamond-shaped craft in the

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distance we can't tell how far away it

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is because we don't know what type of

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craft is therefore we don't know the

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dimensions in terms of size and then

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what looks to be but again it could be

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it could be a huge craft and this

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aircraft is actually you know closer to

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the camera or it could be much further

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there's some questions there but it's

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against a fairly uniform gray sky with a

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few variations of cloud uh but that's it

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but when you see the recreation that

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nick pope said he had up bunnies on his

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wall in in the secretariat office then

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that recreation has kind of hills and

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mountains in the background you don't

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see those in the image

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i think as well in terms of the image

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i've seen already some folks online

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saying because of the angle we're

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looking at it flush on from the side

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that you wouldn't be able to see any

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it's pretty clear that if there were

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wings on this object they would have

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been tiny

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and witness testimony is that the

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objects apparently it was there for

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around 10 minutes going quite silent and

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almost hovering and then shot off into

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the sky at quite a pace is that that

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correctly yeah the the witnesses don't

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mention wings of any description they

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all they say was it was a diamond-shaped

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craft and

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you know you have to we'll have to

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believe them that they were watching it

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as you say for about 10 minutes before

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it shot vertically in the into the air

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and disappeared it's not a fair point

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you're a bit of an aviation buff and an

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aviation expert if your your back

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catalog of books is anything to go by is

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it fair to say that the object may have

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had wings and well if they did

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if they did they were very thin or very

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small or both so because they're cut

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they're not really detectable on the

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image um some people have tried to say

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well look this could be the hopeless

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diamond the um the f117 um sort of

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prototype or one of the really early

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prototypes

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seen from maybe above um or from the

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side well it has a certain resemblance

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but not much of a one um so the you know

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people have put forward various things

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um over the months and years to try and

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explain this thing away but none of them

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are really very satisfactory um and they

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don't really match anything that that we

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we're still sort of shooting a bit in

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the dark really just to work out what

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this thing is

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now i don't want to go into the story

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too much in terms of how this has come

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out i'm going to put the links in the

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description of the article and i think

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it's best placed at vinnie and david

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clark when they record their podcast and

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get to share that story so we'll leave

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that up to them and people should go

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check out the articles as well through

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uap media dot uk

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uh in your opinion graeme what does this

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image add to the calvin story

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and also i'm going to press you as much

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as you don't like to speculate what

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could we be looking at here

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well in terms of what it adds i mean

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we're no longer relying on this crude

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black and white effectively photocopied

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line drawing um which you know it was it

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looked blurred it looked cartoonish even

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it didn't really give anybody anything

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beyond a vague idea of what was being

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seen along with the witness statement so

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we now actually have the image it's

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something tangible it's something that

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has been rumored for a long time to

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exist and now we finally have one so

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people can do you know work their magic

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with uh with image analysis and all the

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rest of it people who are much more

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better than you know me than looking at

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pictures to try and determine what's

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going on so they can have a field date

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with this um so yeah so that's you know

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really where that comes

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from but what is it well

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yeah i don't like to speculate as you

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say and i know you're going to push me

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i've sat beside graham for coffees and

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he won't speculate on things and it's

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very frustrating so but go on there

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i mean there's two school of thought

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there's two schools of thought really

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because it could well be a secret u.s

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platform with some description there's

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the rumored aurora there's the rumored

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astra prototypes um neither of which

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have been uh have been unveiled and you

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usually see a lead time of something

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like 12 to 15 years between something

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being uh being constructed or designed

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and then for being unveiled like the

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f-117 stealth fighter but basically two

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years

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can you clear up something for me graham

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this is something i talked about with

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john and people may wonder we are

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talking about an object over britain

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over scotland particularly why do people

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like myself and just well you've just

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mentioned i i think it's u.s technology

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why are we seeing us tech when it's an

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object over the uk well here's another

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good question um you know why why do if

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it is american why did they test it over

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britain did they have permission to do

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that or did they do it on the qt who

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that there are rumors of kind of

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sort of chewing and throwing from the

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moody and the pentagon as to you know

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was it yours no was it yours kind of

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thing so those stories have appeared

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over the years and if those are true

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then well you know it's speculation but

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if those are true then there was a kind

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of a bit of a slang match as to like you

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know arguing as to whose it was um which

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of course doesn't do anybody any favors

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in the end but we're still in the dark

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i'm afraid because nobody's come forward

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either the the british or the americans

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to say look that was definitely yours or

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that's definitely ours and so in terms

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of that we're no farther forward but we

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are further forward in actually having

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something tangible having an image that

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people can look at they can analyze and

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it's better than what we had beforehand

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so that is an improvement and it

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actually flies in the face of the emma

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of the ministry of defense's statement

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that they returned the the photographs

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to the owners or via the newspaper um

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that clearly didn't happen because one

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was retained by a press officer so

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you know then you have to throw this

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back to the mod and say well look you're

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saying

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50 years there's been nothing of defense

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significance um clearly this is of

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defense significance because if you

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don't know about it you know what is it

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and why was it there and if you do know

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about it then it has got defense

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negative things because it clear if it

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can hover then it's something

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groundbreaking

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how does this change that conversation

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there's one you can continue the

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conversation about calvin with the mod

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with the you know famously recently

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parliament baroness goldie and cole were

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laughing at the ufo subject

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does this give us any more credence or

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weight to going back to parliament and

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baroness goldie and those who would

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discuss the ufo topic and scoff and

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laugh and say look here's a picture of

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one that you said didn't exist or you

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know wasn't wasn't of any significance

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like you say yet

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yet here it is

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what are you doing about it is that fair

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i think those are questions that should

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be directed at the likes of baroness

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goldie or you know and other people in

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the ministry of defense and actually

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have them come out with a proper

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response because at the moment we're

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basically guessing as to what their

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response will be um you know will they

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simply just go back to that original

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mantra and just deny there's anything

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happening or can they come forward and

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say something more about this image and

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about what is represented on the image

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um until those questions are asked to

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the relevant people i'm afraid you know

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we simply don't know what their response

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will be hopefully it'll get us a little

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bit further down the road as well but

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i'd probably think that they'll they'll

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try and just you know come fall back on

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that original denial and maybe just come

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up with something new just to justify it

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but we'll have to wait and see

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graham uh thanks for joining me for a

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very short breaking news podcast it was

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worth discussing and i will leave you

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the listeners with this snippet of my

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latest interview with john greenwald i

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only conducted this as we speak about an

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hour ago this will be out from monday

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the 15th of august on the free platforms

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or on early access if you pay for any of

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those from today so thank you very much

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and here's john greenwald

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it's uh it's really cool tyman because

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as we record this it's the 12th of

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august just going 7 p.m in the uk 11 a.m

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pacific your time the the calvin photo

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has just dropped um it wasn't something

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i was going to discuss on the podcast

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but we've briefly chatted uh off air on

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it and i just thought it might be a good

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thing to bring up quickly because when

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this goes out on monday the

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15th of august people will have seen

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this it's already been retweeted by joe

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rogan's twitter account um it's been

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picked up by various news outlets

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already and i'm sure that'll go about

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wider spread the calvin photo i'm sure

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is one you know you know very well

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you've been in this game a long time um

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it's a photograph that was allegedly

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taken in scotland in the early 90s of a

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ufo nick pope has has built a lot of his

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career around the myth of this

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photograph as he famously had it on his

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desk apparently and it was taken away

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but since seeing the the black and white

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negative come out and just today my

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colleagues at uap media including vinnie

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adams and dr david clark have managed to

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release the original photograph and it

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shows the kind of diamond shaped craft

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from what we can see with the quality of

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the photo followed by a kind of unknown

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military aircraft in the background some

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of my colleagues are saying they they

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assume it's a u.s harrier jet but

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they're not quite sure exactly what

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making model just again with the quality

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um you've seen the photo you've seen the

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article uh links in the description what

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are your initial thoughts

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you know it's great to actually see it

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if it really is i'm always skeptical i

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know that may come as a surprise to some

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people but

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whenever something either leaks out or

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comes out for the first time uh i'm i'm

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always apprehensive to go this is it um

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it's not that i'm doubting anybody who

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did the research it sounds all legit but

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what i did right before the program and

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literally as you mentioned it just

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dropped like i just found out about it i

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would say probably within the last hour

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or so uh but went to to my longtime

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friend nick pope and said hey

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i know you've seen the real thing can

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you comment on it

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he also tweeted this comment and and

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i'll i'll i'll read it just to make sure

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that i don't you know um

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misquote him but

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as quote it's my policy not to comment

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on leaked information especially if it

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might be classified so until i receive

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ministry of defense advice i can neither

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confirm nor deny if this is the picture

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that was displayed on my office wall

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when i ran the mods ufo desk unquote so

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i've i'm was asking him if i could tweet

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that as well uh and apparently he

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already did so i retweeted it right

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before the program uh so that being said

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you know i

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have no real doubts up front that it's

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not the real photograph but what it

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depicts is kind of the question mark are

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we talking about

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proof of alien life this is a smoking

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gun or is this a classified piece of

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technology from let's say the united

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states that was being flown and got

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captured on a photograph and the legend

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was born ever since so that i don't know

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i mean there's a lot of unwritten parts

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of this and if this is the photo i hope

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that there's a higher resolution if

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there's a negative and these answers may

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already be out there by the time this

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airs

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but you know just getting higher

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resolution scans what can we figure out

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is the negative available that kind of

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stuff and go from there but it's

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exciting i mean it really is

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exciting to finally see it

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it's a really interesting image and if

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you don't mind i asked you before we

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recorded just in explaining the

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the process is how this could come out

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in this photograph now allegedly um well

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we know it was taken by two to three

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individuals in scotland in the early 90s

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the story goes they were just in a place

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that for one reason or another happened

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to have this object fly by they weren't

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there expecting it they weren't

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government individuals they were no one

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special they just happen to be in the

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right place at the right time or the

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wrong place at the right time depending

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on how you want to look at it the story

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it goes again that the the

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the negatives and the photographs are

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sent onto the daily record in scotland

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which is one of the big tabloid

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newspapers there's not many of them and

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from there it went missing and ever

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since it's never been seen again now if

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this is an individual's photograph like

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we're going to assume for now that it is

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and it was it was published why couldn't

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nick pope speak on it why do you think

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nick may be saying that it's classified

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when it's someone's personal property

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and this was something i was i was

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having you explain to me because i

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wasn't sure how that exactly would work

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yeah i'm more familiar with u.s

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copyright law versus what it would be

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overseas but

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in short i'm not too surprised because

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you know nick's going to be very very

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careful with his previous oaths and

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security clearances to not overstep

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i'm speaking more generally and not

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necessarily specifically about nick but

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when somebody comes out of the

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government and they are being asked

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about material that was not officially

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released

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they have to be very careful not to act

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like a spokesperson and

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even though that may not be their

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intention

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sadly there will be some that might take

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it that way and and saying endorsed by

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the mod because nick pope said it and we

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all know that that's that's not the case

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but there are some uh people that might

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think that or some journalist that might

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print it so it doesn't surprise me that

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nick is is

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being careful at this point and wants to

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ask the mod can we talk about this can

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we confirm it and then we'll get

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hopefully more of nick's feedback but if

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it was just taken by somebody else yeah

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in a legal sense here in america the way

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the copyright would work is that a

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former government

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personnel even with a a clearance could

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speak about it because it's not a work

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of the us government or the military

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it's not a product of that and so their

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security clearance does not go in

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jeopardy by them talking about what uh

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let's say andy or john or bill or

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whomever took a picture of so there's a

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difference there but i don't blame nick

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for trying to be a little bit careful

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and and uh trying not to

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not to overstep too quickly since since

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this is something that really just

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unfolded

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yeah that that's fair it's literally

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just over an hour since it dropped via

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the daily mail so as the hours and days

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pass by the time this comes out like you

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say hopefully we've got some more

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information or at least some really

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interesting questions off the back of it

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but thanks for that john

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